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WTB: 84 Cressida / Celica W57 5th gear set

Post by Gordon Duax on Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:11 am

I need the .86 ratio 5th gear set from a W57 (84 Celica / Cressida)
Later trans all had a .78 ratio 5th gear.

So if you have an old, worn-out, trashed Celica / Cressida trans laying around, pop the tailshaft housing off of it, knock off a couple of C-clips, and pull those 2 gears for me.

I'll pay $200 for them, as long as they are not trashed.

If you have a good trans, and you want the higher 5th gear that comes in the W58 (.78 ratio), I will also send you a set of those to put back on.

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Re: WTB: 84 Cressida / Celica W57 5th gear set

Post by kamesama980 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:38 pm

Sad 

sonova...exactly what I need but I won't be able to get to it until AT LEAST after thanksgiving. I'll take ya up on the .78 too if you're still looking then. Might even be willing to buy the .78 set off you anyway.

How many sets do you want? how many .78 sets do you have? (I have 1 in the truck, 1 in the W57 in the cressida, 1 or 2 more in loose transmissions in the garage...)

FYI almost ALL W boxes (like the pickups) have the same .86 5th except the W58
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Re: WTB: 84 Cressida / Celica W57 5th gear set

Post by Gordon Duax on Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:58 pm

Still need, but............

Only the early '84 had the correct .86 ratio 5th gear set.
This is because all the others also had a different input shaft to countershaft primary ratio, and thus have different 5th gear ratio.
I need the 5th gear set that when the gear teeth are actually counted, comes up to a .635 ratio, (aprox 55/35 tooth count), or it will not be a .86 5th ratio when put on my W58.

The Supra W58, and the early '84 W57 have a primary ratio of 34/46 (1.353:1 ratio).
I kind of doubt you will have a 5th gear set that will work in the W58
But if you do, you will make my day !!
Probably the best chance is the Cressida W57.
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Re: WTB: 84 Cressida / Celica W57 5th gear set

Post by kamesama980 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:39 pm

Didn't know that about the others. Do you have any more info on that? links? (I'm a junky for info and would like to add it to my spreadsheet of toyota). Makes me want to tear apart the truck's trans just to find out...

The one in my cressy is a W57 by my speedo/tacho math and came out of a celica supra but I never knew exactly what year. Guess I'll be taking the good jack and stands with me and dropping the trans. Here's a pic from swapping the shifter housing, looks like 17 teeth on the smaller gear http://illiweb.com/fa/pbucket.gif?sort=3&o=129&_suid=138497976116902705087711872764
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Re: WTB: 84 Cressida / Celica W57 5th gear set

Post by Gordon Duax on Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:12 pm

I am starting to hate this fucking forum.........
Was just about done typing, and the damn thing closed the link.

I'll try again later.
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Re: WTB: 84 Cressida / Celica W57 5th gear set

Post by Gordon Duax on Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:54 pm

OK, got cought up a little........

My info comes from several sources, such as Wiki's page on the Toyota W series trans, Toyota parts info, and personal observations.

The tooth counts I have for the Mk3 Supra W58 are from my 2 trans.
That is the 5th gear tooth count of 57/33, and the primary reduction tooth count of 34/46.
With the same primary ratio, to get to a .86 5th, the 5th gear set will most likely be a 55/35 tooth count.

That 17t gear is just the reverse ratio.

Here is something I've saved from somewhere:
W50
Often called the "steel-case" transmission for its steel shell, in contrast to the later W-series transmissions' aluminium case. This transmission is mostly associated with early Celicas of the 1970's. It is also shorter from the bellhousing face to the transmission mount than the later aluminium case W-series transmissions, despite using the same mount.

Ratios:

First Gear: 3.287:1
Second Gear: 2.043:1
Third Gear: 1.394:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.853:1
Reverse: -4.039:1
Applications:

1976-1981 Toyota Celica
W51
Came in early 80's CE71 Corolla wagon. Similar ratios as W52 except 5th

Composition is alloy.

Ratios:

1st gear 3.625
2nd gear 2.043
3rd gear 1.394
4th gear 1.000
5th gear 0.802
rev gear 4.039
Applications:

Toyota Corolla E70 jdm CE71/CE72 wagon behind 1C 1839cc diesel.
W52
Used in Australian delivered 2WD SR5 Extra-Cab Hilux (YN57)

Composition is steel.

Ratios:

First Gear: 3.625:1
Second Gear: 2.043:1
Third Gear: 1.394:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.853:1
Reverse: -4.039:1
Applications: 1984-1988 2WD Hilux (AU)

W55
This was the first of the aluminum-shelled W-series transmissions.

The W55 appears to be a base reference point for gear ratios that Toyota used to fine tune later models of the W-series.

Ratios:

First Gear: 3.566:1
Second Gear: 2.056:1
Third Gear: 1.384:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.85:1
Reverse: -4.091:1
Applications:

1982-1983 Toyota Carina
1981-1985 Toyota Celica
1983 Toyota Corona
1986 Toyota Soarer
1986 Toyota Crown
1983 Toyota Chaser
1984-1988 Toyota Pickup 2WD with 22RE(EFI) engine
2002-2005 Lexus IS300 (US Market only)
W56
A common truck transmission that came in 2-wheel and 4-wheel drive varieties.

Its ratios differ in comparison to the base W55 in the 1st and 2nd gears only; this is to allow a slightly heavier vehicle (truck) to get up to speed slightly quicker than if geared like a car.

This was most likely accomplished by taking the W55 base gears and changing the 1st and 2nd gear sets, as the rest of the transmission remains unchanged.

Ratios:

First Gear: 3.954:1
Second Gear: 2.141:1
Third Gear: 1.384:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.85:1
Applications:

Toyota Hilux
Toyota 4Runner
Toyota T100
W57
The W57 is sometimes designated as a "close-ratio transmission"; however in its stock form it does not meet all the criteria for a Close-ratio box.

The ratio shift was accomplished by taking the W55 base ratios and changing the input shaft to intermediate shaft ratio by 7.9%, thus shifting 1,2,3 ratios higher by that amount (4th is direct 1:1).

Unlike in the W58 the 5th/overdrive gear set was changed to create a smaller rpm drop between 4th & 5th gears so as to remain close to the overdrive ratio seen in the other boxes.

The rest of the transmission remains unchanged.

Ratios:

First Gear: 3.285:1
Second Gear: 1.894:1
Third Gear: 1.275:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.861:1
Reverse: -3.768:1
Applications:

1983-1986 Toyota Supra MK 2 in certain non-US markets.
1986 Toyota Crown
1986 Toyota Cressida
1982-1985 Toyota Celica (21R)
W58
It differs from the W57 in its fifth-gear ratio. This transmission is popular as a replacement for weak stock transmissions in other vehicles. It came in two varieties: the original found in the 1982-1989 non-turbo Supras, Celicas and Cressidas of the early 1980s; and the later version found in Mk3, Mk 4 Supras and Lexus SC 300s.

Toyota lists a change from an alloy sandwich plate to a steel sandwich plate around 1989. The steel sandwich plate has some minor internal differences, and it is believed to be slightly stronger (some wider bearings, some wider gears, slightly different gear selection mechanism, etc.). In theory the all-alloy version of the W58 should be exactly the same strength as any other all-alloy W-Series transmission. The steel plate version is considered much harder to find and worth approximately three to five times as much as an all alloy version.

The ratios and bolt patterns remain the same regardless of the sandwich plate used.

The W58 & W57 share the highest gearing and closest ratios (1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th (direct)) of the stock W-Series transmissions.

The ratio shift was accomplished by taking the W55 base ratios and changing the input shaft to intermediate shaft ratio by 7.9%, thus shifting 1, 2, 3 ratios higher by that amount. This also shifted the overdrive 5th gear higher by the same amount creating a wider and taller overdrive ratio.

The W58 is sometimes designated as a "close-ratio transmission"; however, in its stock form it does not meet all the criteria for a close-ratio box.

Toyota engineers have shown favor to the W58 over the rest of the 'W' series by including it in so many models and even building a stronger version for higher powered applications.

Ratios:

First Gear: 3.285:1
Second Gear: 1.894:1
Third Gear: 1.275:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.783:1
Reverse: -3.768:1
Applications:

1982-1986 Toyota MK 2 Celica Supra
1986-1992 Toyota MK 3 non-turbo Supra
1993-1998 Toyota MK 4 non-turbo Supra
1986 Toyota Cressida
1986 Toyota Soarer
1982-1992 Lotus Excel
1992-1997 Lexus SC300
1998-2005 Lexus IS300 5 speed
W59
A common truck transmission, this was the successor to the W56. Like the W56, it came in both 2-wheel and 4-wheel drive versions.

This model appears to have a combination of ratios used in older models of the W-series.

1st and 2nd are low ratios like in the W56 for use to get a heavy vehicle moving.
3rd ratio is the same as in the W57/W58 for a lower rpm drop between 3rd & 4th useful in high-speed acceleration.
4th is direct 1:1 as per design in these boxes.
5th seems to be the base W55 overdrive ratio.
Ratios:

First Gear: 3.954:1
Second Gear: 2.141:1
Third Gear: 1.275:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.85:1
Applications:

Toyota Tacoma
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Re: WTB: 84 Cressida / Celica W57 5th gear set

Post by kamesama980 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:21 am

^ I've seen that one.

ack, senior moment. 17t on the front half of 5th gear that I could see halfway decently. since it's only half, double it for 34 which doesn't help you much with the resolution of that pic. guess I'll just have to take apart the cressy when I'm there over t-giving.
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Re: WTB: 84 Cressida / Celica W57 5th gear set

Post by kamesama980 on Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:37 pm

OK...car's here and on the lift. started getting stuff off but wife and 11mo want attention too for some reason.

EDIT: update: transmission's out, counted teeth and the total is: 57:33 for 5th and my phone deleted the line with the primary reduction but if I did my math right it comes to .78 which means it's a W58 after all...apparently I did math wrong 5 years ago when I put the stupid thing in and never thought to run it again...  Mad 
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Re: WTB: 84 Cressida / Celica W57 5th gear set

Post by Gordon Duax on Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:10 pm

DRAT !
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Re: WTB: 84 Cressida / Celica W57 5th gear set

Post by kamesama980 on Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:58 am

Gordon Duax wrote:DRAT !

I know, I was hoping to improve on the 3+krpm on the highway killing the gas mileage. owell, it's not a mpg-needing daily/only driver anymore.
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Re: WTB: 84 Cressida / Celica W57 5th gear set

Post by Gordon Duax on Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:27 pm

Well, I found them !
Out of an '84 Supra in Bulgaria of all places.

The guy seen my want request on one of the Celica forums.
He wanted my 5th gear set due to his 2JZ swap, and wanting a taller 5th.

About the hardest part I ever went looking for !
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